Riiiiight… I’m sure if you look hard enough, you could find some “life threatening” effects of soybeans and corn on your body if you wanted to, but that’s not really your goal now, is it? You’re trying to find unproven “evidence” that will make you feel good inside before going off to bed. That’s just one opinion, and a dumb one, if I may say so… Thousands of years humans have survived on an omnivorous diet, and suddenly now we are in grave danger of all meat? Get real… Call me ignorant, but I think that most vegetarians/vegans out there eat plants only because they can’t hear the screams when they slice it into thin pieces.

I’m pretty sure thousands and thousands of poor creatures die of hunger because of our crops, not only while growing them, but while harvesting them, as we hurt many many innocent creatures with our plows and farming machinery, and that’s a fact… Does that cross the minds of the usual PETA activits? Probably not, but who the hell cares? Sharks, lions, tigers, komodo dragons, worms etc. would eat me at any time if given the chance. Why should I back down? I don’t see any equality between humans and animals, nor does any other animal, for that matter. It’s not nazism, it’s common sense. My ancestors did not fight to be on top of the food chain so that I could simply feel “guilty” for eating another animal. It is in my gene code – I want to survive, I want to harvest and properly maintain my surroundings, and you won’t stop me from doing that with your bitching (yes, protesting in front of fur shops and driving innocent people of out business is called bitching).

PS: How many PETA supporters use insulin on a daily basis? How many of them are alive today thanks to our “animal cruelty”?

“Odd that heart disease doesn’t seem to be a problem for true carnivores and omnivores.”
- Are you talking about the non-human animal world? If you are, you’re right. If your talking about the human race, you’re wrong. Meat and Fish can cause not only heart disease but a variety of other diseases. Let’s face it, our bodies are not made to eat animal-based foods.

“PETA, according to their website, don’t believe in animal testing for drugs/medical procedures.”
- True. Not only is it cruel, It’s unnecessary. Animal testing has been proven to be inconclusive. Plus, now a days, there are so many other ways to test for drugs and other products without using animals.

“keeping animals as pets is wrong.”
- Animals should have never been domesticated in the first place. Back in the day, people never thought about how it would affect the animal. They did this for their own purposes and not in the best interest of animals. Now a days, there is an overpopulation crisis due to the breeding industry. The best option is to adopt.

Saying “keeping animals as pets is wrong.” doesn’t mean that one doesn’t love animal companions. In fact, those who believe this “keeping animals…wrong” probably love their animal companions more, because there animal companions are treated as a member of the family.

I used to work at a shelter where people brought in their animal companions for some of the dumbest reasons, proving that PETA’s stance on “pets” is not as crazy as you say it is.

What it comes down to it, animals should be free and not used and exploited for human purposes. To do so, does not reflect well on our species.

“I do not think the evidence supports it being a healthier alternative than a healthy meat-inclusive diet”
- With all due respect, you really haven’t done any research on this. The evidence is there, you just have to look for it. Unfortunately, the meat-related-food industries (as well as pharmaceutical-related, gun, alcohol, etc.) have all the money to hide the truth and discredit those who want to expose it.

The truth is, we live in a capitalistic dictatorship (not a democracy or a republic). Don’t be fooled by other people’s intentions. Their only concern is their profits, not how it affects the rest of the world. To them, money is more important than life itself. Sad but true.

Organizations like PETA and Greenpeace have to go above and beyond because the POWER$ that be are just too strong and subtle hints get swept under the rug. And let’s face it, people need a “kick in the head” every once in a while to wake up. We’ve been dumbed down to a point that the smell of smoke is not enough for us to react. We have to see the fire in order to survive. In this way animals are smarter than us. They have instinct.

Keep this in mind, there are humane alternatives to everything. It’s in our planet’s best interest to be humane and kind to all living beings.

Luckily there a many sites that help you make the compassionate choice. Do a search for Ethical Shopping, Caring Consumers, etc. You’ll find plenty of animal-friendly, human-friendly, and environmentally-friendly products, and companies to avoid.

Enjoy,

Peace:)

Eric

Probably because they don’t eat trans fats, vegetable oils, soy, the milk of other species, refined carbohydrates or other things that aren’t a natural part of an omnivorous human diet.

And Matt, “The opinions of health professionals and nutritionists ” – argumentum ad verecundiam. A logical fallacy.

PETA, according to their website, don’t believe in animal testing for drugs/medical procedures. That puts them in the fruitloop basket as far as I’m concerned. They also – again, from their website – think keeping animals as pets is wrong. It’s not their vegetarianism that gets up my nose – I have a great respect for people who are vegetarians for ethical reasons, although I do not think the evidence supports it being a healthier alternative than a healthy meat-inclusive diet – it’s their stance on medical testing and domestic animals.

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PETA is a part of the animal rights movement (if not leading it), however, their tactics are nothing new to movements that fight against the injustices in this world.

On another post I mentioned that we (eco-animal-friendly individuals) all go above and beyond for the reason that those who are responsible for the injustices go above and beyond to hide the truth (and even go as low as discrediting and lying about their opposition ““ which is where most people get their information ““ many of those lies have been repeated on this post). They do this so that they may continue with their despicable acts of cruelty.

Another thing we’re forgetting is the human animal is at the bottom of the dependence scale. This means that we as a species rely on the existence of all life around us to survive. So to say that animals are not as important as humans is a lie. In many ways they (and nature) are more important. Which is why we need to become humble in order to save the world and create peace. If we continue on this ignorant and arrogant path, there will be nothing left to save.

I also mentioned in a previous post that I feel that the animal rights, environmental conservation, and human rights communities need to work together in order reach the common goal of peace on earth (for all living beings) since we’re all connected anyway (plant, animal, human = earthling: Life = Life).

It’s useless to complain about an organization that does so much to improve the lives of many. I think PETA is great. I imagine the reason why people don’t like PETA is because they are either jealous or don’t want to know the truth and would rather continue on their paths of destruction.

If you really want peace in this world and you just don’t like the tactics that PETA and others use to get the message out, what ideas do you have that you believe would help all us create a humane and just world for all? And how far would you go to save the lives of many, including your own? Think about it.

Stop complaining and contribute to the solution rather than the problem.

Peace:)

Scott, regarding the second part of your straw man argument (that a lack of “animal control” would cause massive “chaos”), it seems you must wonder how the world ever got along prior to human dominion, given that humans have only been controlling (eradicating and enslaving) other animals for the past 10,000 years — a blink of an eye in terms of the world’s biological history. I also imagine it must perplex you that the world’s declining biological health correlates precisely with increasing human domination (”control”) of other species.

Scott, you also said, “Dan, you compared PeTA and a serial killer, is that really what you want to do in defending PeTA?” First of all, I didn’t compare PETA to a serial killer. Rather, I constructed an easy-to-understand — or so I thought — illustrative case proving that charging hypocrisy fails to constitute a valid counterargument. Do you deny that? I can’t tell one way or the other, from what you’ve stated here.

Also, (and this is admittedly guesswork), your quote choice suggests that you didn’t read through the extensive back-and-forth of this thread, since I wrote it very near to the beginning. I recommend reading through the rest, if you haven’t already. I think it’s a pretty good illustration of just how robust the arguments on the side of animal welfare are, especially when compared with the typical arguments people make when attempting to justify the morally repugnant but personally convenient status quo.

As Alice Walker (a prominent women’s rights leader) said – “The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men.”